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On 9/2/19 8:05 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: OK. We seem to be thinking about different things, which means that specific examples might help. Saying that "anything goes" as far as how you communicate is OK by the IETF seems like an open invitation to unprofessional behaviour -- which *is* bad behaviour. No, "unprofessional behavior" is not inherently bad
behavior, for reasons already cited. Too often, "professsional"
is just another word that's used to justify abuse. Also, there's a difference between "ignore it" and "don't sanction it" -- and again a difference between social sanctions and official ones. If pushback against people for their "tone" has a chilling effect
on IETF contributions, I have a problem with it. How can we make
it acceptable in IETF to speak up against bad ideas if we demand
that participants walk on eggshells? All of this resorting to hopelessly vague standards says to me
that we need to think harder about what kinds of behavior really
are harmful to IETF, rather than insisting on standards that
people can use to justify whatever prejudices they have. Keith
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