On 28-Jul-19 01:32, Richard Barnes wrote: > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 5:54 PM Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > Richard, > > > The only way you find the right person without a process is to pick someone you already know. > > Of course. That's exactly why the procedure for senior appointments starts with a search committee. That's how we got Heather, for example. > > > https://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/RSE-RFP-4August2017.pdf ? Don't ask me why the RSOC+IAOC chose to do that in 2017. Heather was found by a search committee of the RFSOC in 2011. Brian > > It's a completely different process than an RFP for a measurable job of work. > > Regards > Brian > > On 27-Jul-19 09:34, Richard Barnes wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:43 Leif Johansson <leifj@xxxxxx <mailto:leifj@xxxxxx> <mailto:leifj@xxxxxx <mailto:leifj@xxxxxx>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2019-07-26 14:30, Richard Barnes wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 00:05 Leif Johansson <leifj@xxxxxx <mailto:leifj@xxxxxx> <mailto:leifj@xxxxxx <mailto:leifj@xxxxxx>> > > > <mailto:leifj@mnt. <mailto:leifj@mnt.>.se <mailto:leifj@xxxxxx <mailto:leifj@xxxxxx>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I completely agree. This should be treated as a search, not > > > writing an RFP and see who applies. > > > > > > Thats absolutely right - people & community over process! > > > > > > > > > This seems ironic, given how focused this thread has been on process. > > > The process (RFP vs search) doesn’t matter — either way we need to get > > > the best person for the role. > > > > > > To put it in contrast to Klensin’s comment at the plenary — just because > > > someone is engaged as a contractor doesn’t make them a bag of nails. > > > > Richard, > > > > That is not what "people over process" means. > > > > What I mean is this: you find the right person for the job and then you > > figure out how to get them into the position to do the job. > > > > Maybe I should have said "people before process". > > > > Cheers Leif > > > > > > You say this as if the right person just appears out of thin air. There’s always a process to find the right person, whether that’s posting a job description and collecting CVs or posting an RFP and collecting RFP responses. > > > > The only way you find the right person without a process is to pick someone you already know. It would be irresponsible of this community to limit ourselves in that way. > > > > —Richard > > > > >
