sorry, I was confused by the meeting at the IETF - I expect I’m not the only one based on the discussion - maybe the first slide needs to say “THIS IS NOT AN IRTF RG” Scott > On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Colin Perkins <csp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Since the ANRW is an academic conference, we made the decision to follow the usual norms for such events and not require IPR disclosure. > > If the work is brought into an IRTF RG, or an IETF WG, then the usual IRTF and IETF IPR disclosure rules apply. > > Colin > > >> On 21 Jul 2019, at 09:41, Scott O. Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> you made an explicit decision that people can hide their IPR? >> >> have fun with that >> >> Scott >> >>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Colin Perkins <csp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> The ANRW is an academic workshop that happens to be co-located with IETF. We made an explicit decision when starting the workshop, several years ago now, that the Note Well does not apply to it. >>> >>> If work is brought from ANRW into either an IRTF RG or an IETF WG, then the Note Well would apply, of course. >>> >>> Colin >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 21 Jul 2019, at 08:08, Scott O. Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> ps - I see that ANRW is an IRTF research group - thus https://irtf.org/ipr applies >>>> (and that says that the IETF rules apply) >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:02 AM, Scott O. Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I am speaking as a person who ran the BOF where the specific >>>>> text "intended to affect the IETF Standards Process” was developed and agreed to as well as a person who >>>>> edited the specific text - it is my opinion that the BOF (and thus the IETF) intended the rules to apply >>>>> wherever actions are taken or text developed that are "intended to affect the IETF Standards Process” >>>>> in particular, IPR disclosure is required if known >>>>> >>>>> I have no opinion as to the facts of the specific case of ANRW since I have not been following that >>>>> >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 7:42 AM, Richard Barnes <rlb@xxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott, I think you may be over-stating things a bit. The IETF doesn't get to make universal statements that apply to things out of its remit. For example, there are numerous research conferences that are held on IETF-related technologies -- often with a specific focus on providing helpful input to IETF! -- which are not held under note well. >>>>>> >>>>>> The location of such meetings alongside IETF meetings does not change this fact. AFAICT, ANRW is not covered by Note Well, despite having the explicit goal of "transition[ing] research back into IETF". >>>>>> >>>>>> The definition of Contribution in 8179 makes this clear from the start: >>>>>> >>>>>> """ >>>>>> "Contribution": any submission to the IETF ... >>>>>> """ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 7:27 AM Adrian Farrel <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>> Thanks Scott, that's helpful. >>>>>> A >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Scott O. Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> Sent: 21 July 2019 11:24 >>>>>> To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> Cc: IETF Rinse Repeat <ietf@xxxxxxxx> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Applying "Note Well" to side meetings >>>>>> >>>>>> speaking as co-editor of the ruleset >>>>>> >>>>>> see the definition of “Contribution” in RFC 8179 >>>>>> >>>>>> basically, the “note well” applies whenever activities that are "intended to >>>>>> affect the IETF Standards Process” may happen >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 3:18 PM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Normally [1] when we have a "bar BoF" (also known as a "side meeting") we do >>>>>>> not apply the terms of the "Note Well" [2]. We have usually considered bar >>>>>>> BoFs to be outside the IETF because the IETF has no control over who meets >>>>>>> and drinks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, this time around, the side meetings are somewhat more formal with >>>>>>> room bookings and projectors and advertisements and so on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, does the Note Well apply to these side meetings? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apologies if I missed an email on this: I sometimes don't focus as much as I >>>>>>> should. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [1] For some practical definition of "normal" >>>>>>> [2] https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Read some fairy stories for adults of all ages >>>>>>> .. Tales from the Wood >>>>>>> .. More Tales from the Wood >>>>>>> .. Tales from Beyond the Wood >>>>>>> .. Tales from the Castle >>>>>>> Get them on line https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ >>>>>>> Or buy a signed copy from me by post >>>>>>> *** Stop me in the corridor at IETF-105 to get a copy *** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Colin Perkins >>> https://csperkins.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > Colin Perkins > https://csperkins.org/ > > > >
