you made an explicit decision that people can hide their IPR? have fun with that Scott > On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Colin Perkins <csp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > The ANRW is an academic workshop that happens to be co-located with IETF. We made an explicit decision when starting the workshop, several years ago now, that the Note Well does not apply to it. > > If work is brought from ANRW into either an IRTF RG or an IETF WG, then the Note Well would apply, of course. > > Colin > > > >> On 21 Jul 2019, at 08:08, Scott O. Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> ps - I see that ANRW is an IRTF research group - thus https://irtf.org/ipr applies >> (and that says that the IETF rules apply) >> >> Scott >> >> >>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 8:02 AM, Scott O. Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I am speaking as a person who ran the BOF where the specific >>> text "intended to affect the IETF Standards Process” was developed and agreed to as well as a person who >>> edited the specific text - it is my opinion that the BOF (and thus the IETF) intended the rules to apply >>> wherever actions are taken or text developed that are "intended to affect the IETF Standards Process” >>> in particular, IPR disclosure is required if known >>> >>> I have no opinion as to the facts of the specific case of ANRW since I have not been following that >>> >>> Scott >>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 7:42 AM, Richard Barnes <rlb@xxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> Scott, I think you may be over-stating things a bit. The IETF doesn't get to make universal statements that apply to things out of its remit. For example, there are numerous research conferences that are held on IETF-related technologies -- often with a specific focus on providing helpful input to IETF! -- which are not held under note well. >>>> >>>> The location of such meetings alongside IETF meetings does not change this fact. AFAICT, ANRW is not covered by Note Well, despite having the explicit goal of "transition[ing] research back into IETF". >>>> >>>> The definition of Contribution in 8179 makes this clear from the start: >>>> >>>> """ >>>> "Contribution": any submission to the IETF ... >>>> """ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 7:27 AM Adrian Farrel <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> Thanks Scott, that's helpful. >>>> A >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Scott O. Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: 21 July 2019 11:24 >>>> To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Cc: IETF Rinse Repeat <ietf@xxxxxxxx> >>>> Subject: Re: Applying "Note Well" to side meetings >>>> >>>> speaking as co-editor of the ruleset >>>> >>>> see the definition of “Contribution” in RFC 8179 >>>> >>>> basically, the “note well” applies whenever activities that are "intended to >>>> affect the IETF Standards Process” may happen >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 3:18 PM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Normally [1] when we have a "bar BoF" (also known as a "side meeting") we do >>>>> not apply the terms of the "Note Well" [2]. We have usually considered bar >>>>> BoFs to be outside the IETF because the IETF has no control over who meets >>>>> and drinks. >>>>> >>>>> However, this time around, the side meetings are somewhat more formal with >>>>> room bookings and projectors and advertisements and so on. >>>>> >>>>> So, does the Note Well apply to these side meetings? >>>>> >>>>> Apologies if I missed an email on this: I sometimes don't focus as much as I >>>>> should. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Adrian >>>>> >>>>> [1] For some practical definition of "normal" >>>>> [2] https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ >>>>> -- >>>>> Read some fairy stories for adults of all ages >>>>> .. Tales from the Wood >>>>> .. More Tales from the Wood >>>>> .. Tales from Beyond the Wood >>>>> .. Tales from the Castle >>>>> Get them on line https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ >>>>> Or buy a signed copy from me by post >>>>> *** Stop me in the corridor at IETF-105 to get a copy *** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > > -- > Colin Perkins > https://csperkins.org/ > > > >
