On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 06:04:24PM +0000, john heasley wrote: > Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 10:25:59PM -0500, Nico Williams: > > the proposition that WGs should not be allowed to publish without > > IESG and IETF review is hardly controversial. > > Maybe; publish what? This can not be argued nor affirmed without knowing > the what. Ignoring keith's cross review argument for the moment. At the IETF we _publish_ RFCs, and we _submit_ Internet-Drafts. So my use of "publish" was short-hand "publish RFCs", but I left "RFCs" out because part of the point of this thread was to find a way to "publish" something more "stable" than Internet-Drafts with less process than RFC publication requires. I used "publish", then, as short-hand for "more stable than an I-D, less heavy-duty than an RFC" since we don't have a name for what that thing would be. Nico --