fwiw - I found none of Mike’s postings remotely inappropriate Scott > On Jul 3, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Scott, John — thanks. I appreciate the feedback. I’ll try to figure out a better way to get my point across next time. > > I appreciate the substance of Mike’s points and I welcome his continued substantive contributions. I expect to have a couple of my own responses shortly, perhaps in connection with some notes from the IAB. I should have included that information in my prior mail. > > I believe we can all have constructive discourse, even about a subject such as this, without having postings that even arguably fall into the “inappropriate” category designated in RFC 3005. Perhaps I am sensitive to this because I spent years being terrified of sending email to this list out of fear of being demeaned in public. > > I’ll keep working on how to thread this needle better within the confines of RFC 3005. > > Regards, > Alissa > > >> On Jul 3, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Scott O. Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> I was trying to figure out how to respond to Alissa’s comment and John’s response expresses what my reaction was - I also found it “offensive” >> >> Mike has been making good points that some people in the IETF related bodies that were involved in Heather deciding that the very good work >> she was doing for the IETF community was not worth the BS she was getting do not want to internalize - >> >> Mike should be listened to rather than having the specific (benign) words he uses being over analyzed >> >> Scott >> >> >>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 8:55 AM, John Leslie <john@xxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> Alissa Cooper <alissa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mike, >>>> >>>> As I mentioned to you off-list, your request below for Ben to use his inside voice is demeaning, unprofessional language that is not suitable for the IETF discussion list, per RFC 3005. Repeated use of unprofessional language may be deterring others from voicing their opinion for fear of being disrespected. It is important that everyone in the community feels comfortable enough to express their own views on the IETF discussion list if they choose to do so. >>> >>> I find this offensive. >>> >>> I'd much rather hear Michael StJohns' insight. >>> >>> (BTW, I won't be the least bit bothered if you call _me_ "stupid".) >>> -- >>> John Leslie <john@xxxxxxx> >>> >> >
