Re: Diversity considerations

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  Hi Ted,

On 10/1/18 3:10 PM, Ted Hardie wrote:

>
> We expect our leaders to value and promote diversity of all kinds.

   No we don't. Many kinds of diversity have no bearing on the IETF.
And there are documented cases where people in high tech would like
less diversity.

   Like what you ask? Well, Mozilla was doing OK under Brendan Eich. Then
it came out that he gave money to an anti-gay marriage campaign. Was
diversity of opinion on the topic of gay marriage important to Mozilla?
Apparently not. Even demonstrated competence at the CEO level was not
enough to counter-balance the mono-culture on opinion of gay marriage
that Mozilla wanted, so out he went.

I think it may be worthwhile to read Mitchell Baker's post on Brendan's decision.  It is here:


It highlights that it can be a struggle to support both equality and free speech, but that doing so helps organizations committed to the potential of the Web (or Internet) see them reach that potential.  While I have never worked for Mozilla, the given summary of their mission:

"our mission will always be to make the Web more open so that humanity is stronger, more inclusive and more just: that’s what it means to protect the open Web."

  So a mono-culture of opinions on gay marriage ensures Mozilla can put
it's "focus back on protecting the Web." Which is odd. We will have a
mono-culture on this issue and ... protect the Web! There's a certain
"underpants gnomes" [1] thing going on. Or perhaps they mean some people
would not want to use a product developed by "those people" and would stop
using Mozilla which would... stop protecting the Web? Whatever. "Humanity
is stronger when Brendan Eich is not our CEO" is quite a statement!
 

seems to fit will the ethos of those I know who have worked there. 

Simplifying their struggle to achieve balance while furthering that mission does not seem to me to advance our own discussions much.  I think it would be better if we focused our discussions on our own efforts.

  I was not simplifying their "struggle", only pointing out that there are
examples of tech valuing a mono-culture so we can't say we want "diversity
of all kinds." We need to say what kinds of diversity we want. And I'd hope
it won't be done with statements designed to avoid discussion such as:
"diversity is a competency."

Just my personal opinion, of course,

  And, again, I am a better person for having received it. Thank you.

  That said, I was actually trying to focus the discussion on our own
efforts. And would like to know which of the almost infinite possibilities
we are seeking diversity in. I'm hoping it's not just a catch word for
giving points to people based on how far away from some idealized version
of a "majority culture" they are-- e.g. the lesbian muslim from Tashkent
gets more "diversity" points than the black man from Los Angeles.

  regards,

  Dan.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts





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