>> a stunning review as usual. but i have two questions which you kind >> of finessed. they are simple binary, i.e. yes/no, questions that the >> end user, to whom the IETF is ultimately responsible, really cares >> about. > >> if the manufacturer's servers go down, either permanently or even for >> a day, does the device i have purchased still work? i.e. is it fail >> soft? [0] > > First, BRSKI as used by ANIMA is specifically not targetted at Things. > (We are developing profiles of BRSKI that are about Things, but I > think that this internet-draft should not be be evaluated on that > basis). > > It's targetted at routers and other devices found at ISPs or > Enterprises. i missed where i said light bulbs. i do have some of those, but i run routers, servers, etc.; and do not want $vendor to break my network for *any* reason. > Second, the only time the manufacturer's servers need to be alive is > when device ownership is claimed. i.e. when i sell the router to some other op. that was my second question. > Once the device is claimed, it joins *YOUR* network, and trusts your > infrastructure, not the manufacturer. Whether or not the device will > *operate* without the manufacturer's servers is really outside of > BRSKI. ahhh. we just sell the guns, we do not say how they are used. >> That answer seems to imply that if the MASA is down before I try to >> transfer my device, and if the MASA is still down when the recipient >> tries to get my device working, it won't work. > >> Which seems to mean that once a MASA goes down permanently, any new >> can not get a device reliant on that MASA to work. > >> Seems a pretty severe limitation. > > You are answering a different question than Randy asked no. he is speaking to the second question i asked. and his answer deeply concerns me. > This is a pretty important question and we have discussed it at > length. I remain concerned, but as far as I can see, we have this > problem already. if i understand correctly, it creates a new problem, needing the manufacturer's consent for me to resell my light^Hrouter. > It fundamentally depends upon a number of things which unfortunately, the > manufacturer has ultimate decision making about. see above about guns randy
