On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 9:26 AM Toerless Eckert <tte@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I also find the stereotyping of names in signalling terminology highly
offensive and non-inclusive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_and_Bob
Why are only Alice and Bob so chatty to always have the most conversations ?
Won't Carol get depressions from always being a third rail ? Will your kids
ever get jobs if you name them Craig, Mallory, Eve or Heidi ? And so on.
These SIP heads are ruining the life of our kids!
And what if your last name were Moriarty? You'd never have the community be okay with you as a Security AD? ;-)
I'm fine with Block/permit lists, but don't think there is a racial connotation to black/white list. White lists being preferred may be where the issue arrises I'm guessing. Switching would be fine with me.
I already say active interception or session hijacking and think that's a fine replacement for man-in-the-middle. I didn't see an issue with man-in-the-middle.
I do recall a recent draft coming through the IESG (within the last year or so) with monkey-in-the-middle and remember doing some searches on it prior ro entering comments on the draft. I think it was commented on by an AD, but don't remember where that landed.
Best regards,
Kathleen
*sigh*
Keep your virtue signalling out of my language!
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Toerless
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:25:58AM +0200, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On the hrpc-list [0] there has been an intense conversation which was
> spurred by the news that the Python community removed Master/Slave
> terminology from its programming language [1].
>
> In the discussion that followed it was remarked that in RFCs terms like
> Master/Slave, blacklist/whitelist, man-in-middle, and other terminology
> that is offensive to some people and groups is quite common.
>
> This is not a discussion that can be resolved in hrpc, but rather should
> be dealt with in the IETF community (because hrpc doesn't make policy
> for terminology in the IETF), which is why I am posting this here.
>
> If people find the discussion worthwhile, we might also be just in time
> to request a BoF on this topic.
>
> Looking forward to discuss.
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
>
> [0] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/hrpc/
> [1]
> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/8x7akv/masterslave-terminology-was-removed-from-python-programming-language
>
>
> --
> Niels ten Oever
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> Datactive Research Group
> University of Amsterdam
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Best regards,
Kathleen
