Ekr, While I have read some of the thread this email generated, I wanted to reply to your original email about the policy itself. I have always thought of an IETF meeting as a public event where I don’t have any expectation of privacy in the spaces where the meeting is taking place. Not, of course, in my hotel room, but in the meeting rooms, plenary, corridors, side meeting rooms, etc. It’s important as part of the IETF standards process that we are transparent as to who has participated in a standards process. This policy might be seen as a way of avoiding this transparency. Especially, if even in the official IETF photography, people with "do-not-photograph” label won’t be shown. I also think it’s odd to have a policy that allows “official” photography, but then creates rules for unofficial photography, especially since we live in a world where everyone has a camera phone. I am also not sure if a policy like this can be effectively implemented. I worry that some might see the "do-not-photograph” label as the opposite of what it is intended to mean. I infer that some who asked for this see having their picture taken as a form harassment. Harassment is clearly unacceptable in the IETF, but if that is the case here, I think it would be better to deal directly with it as harassment. I believe we already have a policy relating to harassment. My current conclusion is this isn’t necessary and could have negative effects on the IETF standards process. If this is a harassment issue, we should deal with that directly. Bob > On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:01 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > The IESG has heard some concerns from participants that they would like > not to be photographed. In response to those concerns, we have developed > the attached policy which we intend to put in place going forward. > > Please send any comments by 3/8/2018. > > -Ekr > > > ----- > The intent behind this policy is to balance people's legitimate desire > not to be photographed with the IETF's ability to document activities > and enable remote participation. In order to enable that, we are > proposing the following policy which applies to all IETF events, > including WG meetings, plenaries, and the hackathon. > > LABELLING > The IETF will make available a mechanism for participants to label > themselves as desiring not to be photographed. The secretariat will > determine the details in consultation with the IESG. > > OFFICIAL PHOTOGRAPHY > Any photographer engaged on behalf of the IETF should not photograph individuals > displaying the "do-not-photograph" label, should make reasonable > efforts to avoid photographing small groups with one or more members > displaying the label, and should not publish small group photographs > with such individuals in them. Photographs of large groups may contain > incidental images of such individuals and we will not attempt to > redact those. Specifically, photographs of panels and the like (e.g., > the IESG/IAB plenary) are expected to contain all individuals > regardless of labelling. > > Working group meetings are generally video recorded and broadcast, and > no attempt will be made to avoid recording individuals. However, if > the IETF publishes still frames of these videos, individuals > displaying the labels should not be shown. > > Note: the use of "should" above is intended to reflect that although > this is IETF policy, it is a best effort service and some mistakes > will likely be made, perhaps because someone's label is not noticed or > visible. Individuals can contact XXX to arrange for redaction of their > images, or YYY to report abuse. > > > UNOFFICIAL PHOTOGRAPHY > Many IETF participants also engage in photography. We ask that those > participants respect the above policies and avoid photographing > individuals who have asked not to be photographed. Although we > recognize that mistakes will be made, repeated intentional violations > of this policy may constitute harassment and could be brought to the attention > of the ombudsteam, per RFC 7776. >
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