On 13/01/2018 08:36, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 01:28:21PM -0600, Mary B wrote: >> But, if the whole point of updating the homepage was to increase awareness >> of IETF, it's not at all clear to me why it looks to be all about IGF. > > I am sort of surprised that the people who were apparently satisfied > with the previous, text-heavy web site seem not to be reading the text > in GIANT TYPE right there on top of the very image people are > commenting on: That's the whole point. People here mainly (not everybody) dislike or passionately hate that sort of look and feel. (I hate it. And usually I simply don't see THE BIG SHOUTING LETTERS because that's never the useful part of any web site. Literally, it's the small print that matters - for example, only yesterday I had to register on a new commercial site and it took me 5 minutes of ignoring BIG FONTS to find the privacy statement in a well-hidden 8-pt PDF file.) For me at least, https://www.ietf.org/links/ is just about acceptable, except for 5cm of wasted BIG LETTERS at the top. But the home page is... just... pointless. If we want it to impress aspiring particpants, don't hide the "Participate" link under "About"; headline it. If we want it to impress potential sponsors, hide the IGF and other politics like the plague; focus on our cheap, efficient, productive meetings. Do not allow the same people to judge what is right for the IETF home page that do it for the ISOC home page. The goals are different. On 13/01/2018 08:45, Patrik Fältström wrote: ... > For people that do know about IETF it is a step backward though, by definition, of course. > > Those people should instead directly go to <https://datatracker.ietf.org/>. The problem is that a lot of the information is not in the tracker. Of the links at https://www.ietf.org/links/, I counted more than 30 that are in www.ietf.org, and others in tools.ietf.org. Regards Brian