draft-tenoever-hrpc-political-02 [0] aims to discuss different views on the relations between protocols and politics, might be relevant for people to review and comment on (ideally on the hrpc-list). Some answers on the relationship between protocols and politics might also be found in RFC8280 [1]. All the best, Niels [0] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tenoever-hrpc-political-02 [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8280 On 12/02/2017 07:51 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Hi Keith, > > On 02/12/2017 16:31, Keith Moore wrote: >> On Dec 1, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> >>> >>> I suspect the point intended in plenary was more about keeping politics >>> out of protocol design. That's impossible, but IMHO minimising political >>> impact is a goal. > > To be clear, what I meant to say is "minimising the impact of national > or international politics on the design of protcols." > >> I disagree. The Internet is and always has been political. That is to say, the Internet is part of a vision of a better world - and trying to change the world for the better is inherently political. (Though we need to realize that the reality of the Internet falls well short of that vision, even in areas where we got what we thought we wanted.) > > I certainly believe that protocol design is not politically neutral and that > it has ethical implications. And that engineers have ethical obligations that > should impact protocol design**. (And that we don't always understand the ethical, > social and political implications of what we do.) > > ** And linking to a different thread, at least ISOC has been fairly clear > about this: http://www.isoc.org/members/codeconduct.shtml > > Brian > -- Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9