>> It needs the information for table lookups. So how private/trackable are IP addresses in packets today? > > Uh really terrible? That's why things like Tor exist. TOR exists because the network layer doesn’t have sufficient security. I’m preaching to the choir. > I'm not sure it's useful to continue with the technical side of the present discussion. We're not trying It is useful because there is usually no technical discussion among people from different areas of expertise. The discussion tend to happen when a decision like this is made. So I’ll take the discussion whenever I can get it! > to design a system here. The requirements for the system the WG is to design is is properly the kind of question that needs to be hashed out for the charter for the WG. I am trying to design a system. And we need more deployment experience. And I think an IETF working group can help facilitate this. Otherwise, people will do it else where and new protocols will surface OUTSIDE of the IETF. And that is when scale, security and interoperability is not priority. In the IETF, we are for the common good. Dino