Eric, That is exactly the issue I was trying to tease out, i.e., whether there is a real problem in this area or, at the other extreme, whether there is just a quest for more rules, procedures, and databases. In particular, the cases I think may be the most problematic are not addressed at all by the procedures we have used in the past, so I question making those procedures more systematic without addressing those problem cases. john --On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 05:57 -0400 Eric Burger <eburger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Smells like a solution looking for a problem. I could see an > informational document explaining what change control means, > but do we really have a series of issues that needs solving? > >> On Sep 10, 2017, at 10:23 PM, John C Klensin >> <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> I wonder how far people think hand-off agreement should be >> pushed. For example, there have been several cases of a >> protocol being sorted out in what appeared to have been an ad >> hoc organization or other group and then brought to the IETF >>...