I wonder how far people think hand-off agreement should be pushed. For example, there have been several cases of a protocol being sorted out in what appeared to have been an ad hoc organization or other group and then brought to the IETF as an already finished and already deployed product with willingness to transfer formal change control to the IETF but significant, if informal, resistance to changes. Do you think we need formal handoff agreements for those cases? I think that, in general, we haven't gotten them and that those cases outnumber the ones where we've had formal agreements and, in some cases, baseline or prior work informational RFCs. john --On Thursday, September 7, 2017 07:57 -0700 Dave Crocker <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 9/7/2017 7:53 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >> Also, when change control is fully given the the IETF, we >> have seen the original work published as an Informational RFC >> that includes a statement that any future versions will be >> published by the IETF. > > > Publishing the pre-IETF work is common, though of course not > required. > > However there appears to be no documented guidance for > hand-off agreements and no repository for the set of existing > agreements. This is in contrast, for example, to the IPR > statements repository.