Lee, I agree, with two qualifications: (1) That this can be difficult and often doesn't work doesn't mean we should not try. To me, that means making sure good advice is available (even if we have to repeat this thread every few years and/or add an explicit link about the importance of good materials and how to make them to the meetings page or even ubiquitous pester-ware documents like the Note Well). It may even be worth encouraging WG Chairs to badger people even if it doesn't always work. (2) Because this really is a [dis?]ability issue for some of us, perhaps it is time for the community to start treating people who can't be bothered to make slides readable or to submit materials in advance as being a community problem and make them candidates for advice and education by the ombusdteam. I don't think "unreadable slides" fall into the same category referred to in some cultures as putting stumbling blocks in the path of the blind, but it would seem to trend in the same direction. best, john --On Saturday, July 22, 2017 18:19 +0200 Lee Howard <lee@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I have a talk for the EDU team on presentation skills a couple > of years ago, and included short, easy notes on slides. Find > it on their page. > > Document authors don't reliably send in slides ahead of time, > even with badgering. They're volunteers; the only thing chairs > could do would be threaten to yank their slot, which weakens > the WG's work. > > Similarly, authors aren't generally bothering to look for > advice on how the improve their slides. Resources exist. > Rather, they write notes on pages and consider it done. > > I think all we can really do is complain about it so this > meeting's presenters hear about it and do better next time.