John I saw a note from Kathy Brown earlier today https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2017/01/message-internet-society-president-and-ceo-kathy-brown Christian > John C Klensin <mailto:john-ietf@xxxxxxx> > 30 January 2017 at 18:19 > --On Monday, January 30, 2017 12:14 -0500 Michael StJohns > <mstjohns@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> ... >> We are associated with two organizations that are, by charter, >> mostly outward facing: the IAB and the ISOC. The latter >> organization is probably the right one to take point on >> statements of mostly political content related to issues that >> affect our mission. I would like to suggest that we (the IAB >> and IESG and IETF Chair) request the ISOC draft a message >> along the lines of what the ACM and IACR and others have >> already written. This would include such details as the >> affect on the IETF's meetings and the ISOC's outreach program >> and would ask them to incorporate suggestions from the IETF >> community on content (but leaving the wording to ISOC). I'd >> also suggest they provide a signature page where IETF >> community members may endorse the ISOC message. > > Concur. I must say that, even without such formal requests, I > hope ISOC is working on such a statement and am somewhat > disappointed to have not seen it already. > > To the degree possible without getting into our own version of > "alternate facts", I think it would be worthwhile to identify, > not only effects on IETF meetings but potential negative effects > on the Internet if we can't get our work done in a way that is > consistent with international consensus. > >> I would further suggest that a faster but not perfect note is >> better than the alternative. > > Yes. > > best, > john > > > > Randy Bush <mailto:randy@xxxxxxx> > 30 January 2017 at 10:02 > let me spin jari's point a bit differently. > > if the outrageous actions out of washington are less than one a week, i > for one will be surprised. and i strongly encourage protest, funding > the aclu, etc etc. [ and i have been pushing back against stateside > meetings for a looooong time ] > > but there will soon be violations of rights and sanity which are not so > obvious to the general public, but will be in the internet community's > domain. the internet community will need all the energy and resources > we can muster to deal with those directly on our turf. > > expect years of outrageous fascist hateful acts and plan your resource > expenditures accordingly. > > randy > -- Christian de Larrinaga FBCS, CITP, ------------------------- @ FirstHand ------------------------- +44 7989 386778 cdel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -------------------------