On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 08:14:53AM -0800, Dave Crocker wrote: > A real commitment to real inclusiveness is not free. Agreed. Real inclusiveness will take more work and some adapation. For example, I think *all* in-person meetings should be discontinued, as those exclude all but the elite, privileged few who have the time and money and employer/family tolerance for them. And even remote participation in these requires real-time activity by people who may be a significant number of timezones away -- should the IETF really expect someone to be on a 3 AM call (when they'd probably like to be asleep) or on a 2 PM call (when they may be working)? The IETF should not be trying to solve the problem(s) of remote participation in physical meetings. The IETF should be working on the complete elimination of all physical meetings -- because as long as those exist, all the talk about "inclusiveness" is just that: talk. ---rsk