On 11/11/15 11:40 PM, Eliot Lear wrote: > I am suggesting that Einstein's rule about insanity applies. On the other hand, the saying that you never fish the same river twice may have some relevance. Things do change - the participants, the circumstances, the workload, the frustration level, etc. I think one thing that's definitely changed is the amount of effort going into chartering, and it's not clear to me that it's paid off. I'd suggest that the proliferation of "problem statement" working group documents suggests that it might not have, although it might also be the case that if the problem statement deliverables went away nobody would notice their absence because the charters are so clear. Dunno. Melinda