--On Monday, October 26, 2015 12:31 -0400 John R Levine <johnl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> For better or worse, we've got a perfectly good, standard, way >> of doing that when the list is to be treated as the sender. >> That would be to ask developers of list software to use >> Resent-From. > > ARC adds a cryptographic chain of signatures adopted from > DKIM. I suppose you could use an extended version of > Resent-From but it'd amount to the same thing. There are two differences, for whose importance I appeal to Dave Crocker's comments about educating users. If I'm a casual (aka "normal") user From: Joe Bloggs <bloggs@xxxxxxxxxxx> Resent-from: fubar mailing list <fubar-reply@xxxxxxxxxxx> Makes, or appears to make, good intuitive sense and involves no information loss. If that user's MUA hides the Resent-* field(s), not much is lost either, indeed it looks like status quo with that hidden and some additional documentation (supplementing the List-* fields) if it is displayed. By contract, the DKIM fields are clearly designed for processing by computers, not people. If they were routinely displayed to those end users, I'd expect protests to MUA authors/vendors asking that they be hidden as incomprehensible and annoying noise. That doesn't mean that an ARC signature chain is a bad idea. I have doubts about its effectiveness in practice, but, if it help, that is great. But changing the intuitive (and business-letter-based) semantics of the "From:" field strikes me as a bad idea that requires far more consideration than some mail vendor (or cluster of such vendors) deciding it might make their lives easier. Of course, a combination of address/signature chaining with intelligent use of "Sender:" and/or "Resent-*" might bring benefits with few or note of the obvious disadvantages. john