On Jun 10, 2015, at 5:40 PM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > If we have descended to the point that combative behavior is necessary in order to advance ideas here, then in my opinion we need to figure out a way to change that. Being willing to shout loudly and in other ways be rude ought not be a requirement for successfully advancing good ideas. Indeed, to the extent that people think shouting is the way to get things done here, that is an indication of brokenness, not of best practice. What we want is for shouting to be useless, and reason to be the only effective method of getting what you want. Of course, that lets out any means of getting what you want if it is unreasonable, which may be part of the problem... :)