>>>>> "Brian" == Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> writes: Brian> On 14/03/2015 14:39, Spencer Dawkins wrote: Brian> ... >> If the community thinks that if you're excluded from meetings, >> you're also excluded from mailing lists, that's pretty much fatal >> for any IETF management position I've ever served in (WG draft >> editor, WG chair, IAB member, and AD). So, that's definitely >> worth discussing. Brian> I think it is necessary to treat these two things as Brian> orthogonal. If someone has been misbehaving in personal Brian> dealings with one or more individuals, that is very different Brian> from misbehaving in public on a mailing list. So I don't see Brian> why sanctions intended to prevent* face-to-face personal Brian> dealings would naturally carry over into sanctions that Brian> prevent public mailing list misbehaviour. Also, we already Brian> have the latter, and running code to show that they are Brian> implementable (unlike the recall procedure). Under your reading of 06, does the Ombudsteam have the ability to exclude someone from a mailing list? --Sam