--On Thursday, February 26, 2015 07:09 -0500 Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >.. > Well, they certainly get more done. I think 6tisch does > bi-weekly meetings because it allows them to keep momentum and > make continuous forward progress between IETFs. I think this > is a really good thing, although I agree with the observation > that such meetings make things harder for people who are not > able to be full-time contributors. Such meetings also make things harder for those whose time zones make the meetings difficult or incompatible with day job schedules. Of course, that might not have significant effect anyone who is really a full-time IETF contributor (rather than having other day job responsibilities) and who doesn't have a personal life, but I suspect those people are fairly few. That is also at least one big argument for doing things on mailing lists rather than frequent interim meetings. No matter how much time they take up, mailing lists are intrinsically asynchronous relative to time zones and non-IETF work and personal schedules. > I think there is a real tension between a high clock rate > enabling a good rate of progress and a too-high clock rate > excluding participants. I don't think there's an easy answer > to this: >... I agree, but I think it goes beyond that. The more we shift from doing almost all of our work on mailing lists to doing a significant proportion of it in high-frequency interim meetings, the more we tend to narrow effective participation to vendor-supported people with dedicated time in convenient (for the WG majority) time zones and reduce some of the diversity we have claimed is important. Reducing diversity in that way implies another risk: many private-sector SDOs have been advised by counsel (or threatened/ forced by regulators) to establish measurable categories of participants and then to not hold meetings or other discussions unless minimum numbers or percentages of people from each category were present. I really hope we never need to go there, especially if we are evolving in directions that reduce diversity of interests and backgrounds. john