--On Wednesday, September 03, 2014 04:25 +0000 "Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Nico Williams > <nico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> A lot of WGs and WG work items start life as individual >> submission I-Ds. The tracker nowadays tracks their >> transformation into WG work items. > > yes, but... there are individual submissions and individual > submissions. > > A draft named "draft-myname-mytopic" is a draft on mytopic > submitted by byname. A draft named > "draft-myname-targetgroup-mytopic" is a draft on mytopic > submitted by byname to targetgroup. > > In the first case, the onus is pretty much on the author to > get someone to read it. In the second case, assuming a working > group or other list is notified, can reasonably expect someone > to actually read it. Fred, I think this is a great model and that close approximations to it have served us well in the past. However, since we have gone to an automated system, there is no enforcement of that naming model, even by takedown, and it is not even well-publicized. If we were serious about it, it should at least be described somewhere (the posting page if nowhere else), software should make at least a minimal effort to remind people of it (e.g., when a draft is uploaded who third component matches a WG or similar acronym, the posting software might explicitly ask if that targetgroup is an intended target and, if desired, send out an announcement to that group), and/or there should be a takedown procedure for documents whose names deviate from the rules sufficiently to create confusion. Instead, we have seen draft-authorname1-authorname2-targetgroup-mytopic draft-crypticacronym-mytopic draft-MadeUpOrganization-MadeUpGroup-CrypticTopic etc., which don't help. john