not that ancient history matters much, but when I worked for Postel, the I-D directory was regularly scrubbed of expired materials. the notation that drafts were -EXPECTED- to be ephemeral was taken seriously. I am even aware of some legal challenges to public archives of materials that were supposed to be expunged. (which is why the water springs archive was incomplete). All in all, kind of like violating a corporate document retention policy. /bill On 2July2014Wednesday, at 11:18, Dave Crocker <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 7/2/2014 11:15 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: >> expired it disappeared (related issues, but separately annoying). That is no longer the case, so the (UI aside) the main residual value would be retrieving the archive of old I-Ds and I am not so sure how useful that is, but archivists and IPR lawyers might comment). > > > hmmm. I was always told that the IETF actually did retain all the > original I-Ds. So what changed was making it easier to get at them. > > Methinks the problem is that the older ones -- pre-easy access -- were > never transitioned to the new access model? That is, I suspect they are > sitting somewhere in an obscure archive that we haven't integrated in. > > As for the UI, is it worth considering for the IETF to adopt on its web > site? > > d/ > > -- > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > /bill Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet.