Re: draft-farrell-perpass-attack architecture issue

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Eliot Lear <lear@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On 1/15/14 5:40 PM, Sam Hartman wrote:
>>>>>>> "Eliot" == Eliot Lear <lear@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
>
>>
>> I absolutely agree that general guidance of this form would be valuable
>> either in some general security BCP that the other security BCPs
>> reference or restated in the security BCPs.
>
> It is a basic precept of engineering that the earlier you spot a design
> flaw, the less costly it is to address.  We needn't teach such basic
> precepts in our series.

Then where should they be taught? Personally I prefer having the
fundamentals taught again and again rather than being in a single
place that most people have forgotten about. There are new people in
the IETF all the time, many of whom are new to this level of design. I
don't want to depend on ad hoc osmosis and "common knowledge" to get
the basic principles across.

>> we're not working on such a BCP now, so I'm trying to add the advice I
>> need to this BCP in order for it to work for me as a WG chair and
>> document author.
>
> And as a working group chair you must balance ALL considerations and not
> just this one.

Yes of course.

>> It's not so much a truism that we all agree to it.  I've definitely
>> worked with WGs that didn't want to consider these sorts of issues when
>> choosing technology and didn't seem to agree that they had to.
>
> And I've seen participants all but derail working groups by solely
> focusing on one design consideration.

If I'm understanding correctly, you're echoing the concern expressed a
week or two ago that the Security ADs were being given a Big Hammer
and tyrannical authority over every working group. No one is saying
this is the only architectural consideration - we have other RFCs on
protocol architecture. The text just says it really should be
considered. No?

Thanks ... Scott




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