>>>>> "Eliot" == Eliot Lear <lear@xxxxxxxxx> writes: Eliot> On 1/14/14 8:33 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: >>>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Brim <scott.brim@xxxxxxxxx> writes: >> >> I disagree with Eliot: I don't think the general statement is a >> truism especially not in a BCP. Eliot> To test if it's a truism, replace perpass with anything else Eliot> and see what design consideration should be examined late in Eliot> the process. I absolutely agree that general guidance of this form would be valuable either in some general security BCP that the other security BCPs reference or restated in the security BCPs. Its lack in 4107 and BCP 61 is something that causes me problems as a WG chair and cause significant difficulty for me as an AD. we're not working on such a BCP now, so I'm trying to add the advice I need to this BCP in order for it to work for me as a WG chair and document author. It's not so much a truism that we all agree to it. I've definitely worked with WGs that didn't want to consider these sorts of issues when choosing technology and didn't seem to agree that they had to. I do hope it's enough of a truism that we can agree to say it in a consensus document. The idea that we should not say something because we agree with it confuses me greatly.