If this is really the issue: On Dec 2, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > "Wait for it" means "lose interoperability". Whether that wait is > for the market to decide, for the IETF to find new processes, or for new > codecs without IPR to appear. then I would propose we charter the daughter of CODEC, focused on creating an IPR-cleared, IETF-standard, video codec. I thought CODEC could not be done, even though (or perhaps because?) I co-chaired the BOF, and I was pleasantly proven wrong. I have no problem learning from the past: if the REAL issue is IPR, the IETF now has a track record of fixing that. CODEC got its #1 task, publishing the new Opus codec, done in record time. It was under three years from chartering CODEC to RFC publication. I would offer RTCWEB punts on MTI, a bunch of motivated people get to work on Video-CODEC, and we can eventually have one codec to rule them all. BTW, if this sounds like a Solomon Solution(tm), it is. It means that NEITHER VP8 NOR H.264 lives on as an official, IETF-sanctioned video codec. Live by the sword, get cut in half by the sword.