On 10/21/13 11:23 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > (2) With the understanding that this is a purely hypothetical > problem, any policy of this type also provides the opportunity > for spurious claims and other sorts of DoS attacks. Equally > important, it provides the opportunity for some entity to claim > externally that the IETF or some of its participants harassed it > in violation of the policy, did nothing about it, and therefore > that our standards should be ignored and the organization > punished. Those sorts of threats are certainly not a reason to > avoid establishing policies of this sort, but we should be aware > of possible misuses. Absolutely, and ultimately I think that some personal judgment on the part of *somebody* will need to be applied should there be complaints filed. That's not a bad thing. I do think that it's worth pointing out that in other environments where organizations have taken the step of creating and enforcing an anti-harassment policy it's worked out well (for example, PyCon). It's reduced the incidence of problems *and* created an environment where women feel both more comfortable and more welcome. Contrast it with DefCon and it looks like a win. Melinda