On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
But the most rude behavior that ever occurs on IETF mailing lists is not listening. Not trying to understand what the person who is speaking to you has said. Not trying to figure out if what they said meaningfully contradicts your own position, and not making a sincere effort to determine if they might be correct in contradicting your position.
We have seen some incredible rudeness of this type in the recent spfbis discussion, with various supposedly smart people in our community utterly ignoring what their opponents are saying, and simply re-asserting their own position in a variety of ways.
I would expect the sergeant-at-arms to be reining in that sort of rudeness before reining in the sort of supposed overt rudeness that we are discussing here. The endless litany of repeats of already-addressed discussion points raised on the spfbis mailing list has been incredibly harmful to discourse on the ietf mailing list.
IMHO that's not a job for the sergeant at arms. The SAA is responsible for how things are said. The shepherd -- or supershepherd or whatever -- would be responsible for the substance.