Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt> (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

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On 08/21/2013 08:44 PM, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote:
> 
> Most of the recent arguments against SPF type have come down to the following (as far as I can tell): 
> 	a) I can not add SPF RRtype  via my provisioning system into my DNS servers
> 	b) My firewall doesl not let SPF Records through 
> 	c) My DNS library does not return SPF records through or does not understand it, thus the application can not receive it.
> 	d) Looking up SPF is a waste of time as they do not get through, thus we only look up TXT
> 
> So what I have taken from this is that the DNS infrastructure is agnostic to RRtype=99 but the 
> edges have problems. 
> As to the arguments 7 years is not long enough to reach conclusion and force the changes through the
> infrastructure and to the edges. The "need" for SPF has been blunted by the "DUAL SPF/TXT" strategy and 
> thus we are basically in the place where the path of lowest-resistence has taken us. 
> 
> What I want the IESG to add a note to the document is that says something like the following: 
> "The retirement of SPF from specification is not to be taken that new RRtypes can not be used by applications, 
> the retirement is consequence of the dual "quick-deploy" strategy. The IETF will continue to advocate application 
> specific RRtypes applications/firewalls/libraries SHOULD support that approach."
> 

So what makes you think the above 4 points will not be a problem for the
next protocol that comes along and needs (apex) RR data? And the one
after that?

While I appreciate the argument 'this works now, and it is used'
(running code, and all that), I am very worried that we'll end up with
what is essentially a free-form blob containing data for several
protocols at the zone apexes instead of a structured DNS.

So if this approach is taken, I suggest the wording be much stronger, in
the hope this chicken/egg problem (with 5 levels of eggs. or chickens)
will be somewhat mitigated at some point. Preferably with some
higher-level strategy to support that goal.

Jelte




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