At 12:38 PM 8/5/2013, John C Klensin wrote:
Hi. I seem to have missed a lot of traffic since getting a few responses yesterday. I think the reasons why slides should be available well in advance of the meeting have been covered well by others. And, as others have suggested, I'm willing to see updates to those slides if things change in the hours leading up to the meeting, but strongly prefer that those updates come as new alides with update-type "numbers" or other identification rather than new decks. In other words, if a deck is posted in advance with four slides numbered 1, 2, 3, and 4, and additional information is needed for 3, I'd prefer to see the updated deck consist of slides 1, 2, 3, 3a, 3b, 4 or 1, 2, 3a, 3b, 3c, 4, rather than 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
How exactly do you do this in pptx? Numbering slides is a linear operation AFAICT, and it's binary (it's either on or off). Please educate me if I'm wrong; lord knows I don't know don't know how to do everything flag/setting in powerpoint...
And, in my 8 years as TSVWG chair, I've rarely had completely new individual slides sprinkled throughout an existing deck. Rather, I've received updated slides - each with part of their content altered. Does this fall into your desire for a "3a", or is that just "3" (because 3a means an entirely new slide from scratch)?
BTW - I'm very much *not* in favor of stipulating to my WG that slides must be turned in 7 days in advance of a TSVWG meeting. I personally think no more than a 48 hour advanced window should ever be considered.
James
I also prefer consolidated decks but, if WG chairs find that too difficult, I'm happy to do my own consolidating if everyting is available enough in advance for me to do sol Almost independent of the above, the idea that one should just watch the slides on Meetecho implies that Meetecho is available in every session (it isn't) and that everything works. In addition, they either need the slides in advance or need to be able to broadcast real-time video at a resolution that makes the slides readable. The latter was not the case last week in some of the sessions in which Meetecho was transmitting the slides sometimes due in part to interesting speaker-training issues. The reasons to discourage anonymity aren't just "patent nonsense" (although that should be sufficient and I rather like the pun). Despite all we say and believe about individual participation, the IETF has a legitimate need to understand the difference between comments on a specification from an audience with diverse perspectives and organized campaigns or a loud minority with a shared perspective. That requires understanding whether speakers are largely independent of each other (versus what have sometimes been referred to as sock puppets for one individual) or whether they are part of an organization mounting a systematic campaign to get a particular position adopted (or not adopted). The latter can also raise some rather nasty antitrust / anti-competitiveness issues. Clear identification of speakers, whether in the room or remote, can be a big help in those regards, even though it can't prevent all problems. And the IETF having a policy that requires clear identification at least establishes that we, organizationally and procedurally, are opposed to nefarious, deceptive, and posslbly illegal behavior. A rule about having slides well in advance helps in another way: slides that are bad news for some reasons but posted several days in advance of the meeting provide opportunities for comments and adjustments (from WG Chairs and others). Ones that are posted five minutes before (or 10 minutes after) a session lose that potential advantage. Again, I don't think we should get rigid about it: if slides are posted in advance and then supplemented or revised after feedback is received, everyone benefits. I want to stress that, while I think registration of remote people who intend to participate is desirable for many reasons, I think trying to condition microphone use (either remote on in-room) with proof of registration and mapping of names would be looking for a lot of trouble with probably no significant benefits. best, john