On Aug 5, 2013, at 5:28 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I hope folks who invest effort in tooling try to make it all > easier and not harder. Right now we don't have good tools that > allow remote folks to easily provide "live" input (and maybe > that's just because its a hard problem). So I'd say we should > keep trying to make that better and not worry yet about how to > control abuse of what's not currently usable. Yup, afaict we were doing ok until IETF 87... but at least one anonymous jabber participant (named "Guest") did remotely speak multiple times at the mic on one of the RAI working group sessions this past week (at RTCWEB if I recall). I was personally ok with it, but it was awkward. If folks feel it's inappropriate, then we need something else. I'd be ok with just having jabber scribes ignore anonymous participants. > On 08/04/2013 11:41 PM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: >> And have separate rooms that require registering, like >> "[wg-name]@members.ietf.org" or whatever, > > We don't have, nor (I believe) do we want, "members." Yeah, "members.ietf.org" was a poor choice of domain name. I wasn't making a formal proposal - just thinking out loud. I'd be happier if the tools team figures out something simpler and less onerous anyway. I was just noting it's not an impossible task to accomplish, some way or other. > And we do > want good technical input regardless of source. About the only > reason to try control that via registration is due to patent > nonsense. That is (unfortunately) a real reason, and we do have > to take it into account, but please let's all bear in mind that > 99% of those patents are total crap (regardless of country afaik) > and let's not be driven by the stupidity but rather let's put > that in its proper place as a regrettable cost of being open. Amen to that! -hadriel