On 08/04/2013 09:20 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Finally: a deadline one week before the meeting is no harder to meet > than one minute before the meeting. Disagree. I often end up updating stuff late in the day and that should continue to be fine. Secondarily, its my impression that people are as usual taking all this too seriously. If we cumulatively do our best and if that works ok, then overall, we're ok. Improving on current practice is a fine thing too. But claiming or implying that the imperfections of current practice are disastrous for the IETF or for all remote participation seems overblown to me. And only something potentially disastrous ought imply even considering a zero-tolerance anything in a volunteer organisation. So I'd say working on ways to make remote participation better while not making f2f participation more of a pain would be the way to go. S.