On 2013-08-01, at 12:04, manning bill <bmanning@xxxxxxx> wrote: > we have never voted at IETFs. > "we believe in rough consensus and running code" The enduring tautology in this is the use of the word "we". "some of us believe in rough consensus and running code, probably enough that the mantra is worth repeating, although we have not measured support for this quantitatively, your mileage may vary" :-) Joe