Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

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On Jul 28, 2013, at 10:14 AM, Marc Petit-Huguenin <petithug@xxxxxxx> wrote:

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> On 07/28/2013 09:47 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
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>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Marc Petit-Huguenin <petithug@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>> On 07/28/2013 09:10 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
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>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Melinda Shore wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/27/13 8:13 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>>>>>> yup.  i guess it is time for my quarterly suggestion to remove
>>>>>>> the projectors and screens.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then I guess it's time for my quarterly "I'd be good with that."
>>>>> 
>>>>> As would I.
>>>> 
>>>> Me too, as long as we get whiteboards or flip-charts in their stead.
>>> 
>>> What about people at the back of the room who cannot see what you write
>>> on the whiteboard or flip-charts? (at least slides can be downloaded on 
>>> laptop/tablet if too far from the projection screen)
>>> 
>>> What about people following remotely?
>> 
>> There are some technological solutions, like electronic whiteboards, or 
>> cameras pointed at whiteboards/flipboards. Frame rate makes no difference.
>> 
>> Work is done through conversation. If we use a presentation, the
>> conversation is scripted. I, the presenter, say stuff. You, the audience,
>> can only reply. When we collaborate to develop something at work, we hardly
>> ever do it with a presentation. Presentations work best for tutorial and
>> for showing proposals.
>> 
>>> What about people who have difficulties understanding the speaker
>>> without some sort of context?
>> 
>> With some speakers, context doesn't help. Slides help bad enunciation.
>> They usually don't help missing context.
>> 
>>> What about being able to understand the problem that will be discussed 
>>> before the session, so to cut on the "thinking out loud" on the 
>>> microphone?
>> 
>> That's what drafts are for.
>> 
>>> Do you have a presentation during IETF 87? (I already checked that Randy,
>>> Keith and Melinda do not).  I would be really interested to see how
>>> this could work.
>> 
>> I have three. I don't get a flip-chart, so I do have slide-sets. There is
>> one 5-minute thing that I'm going to do with hand-waving and no slides,
>> but otherwise, I'm doing things the way that people expect them to be.
> 
> I can not find your presentations in the agendas.  Please tell me when they
> are and I'll rent a flip-chart.

There's one in IPsec.

The other two are chairs slides in httpauth and websec. The former are not yet up.






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