--On Friday, May 31, 2013 12:36 +0200 Fernando Gont <fgont@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> if the vendor presence is limited to marketing, sales, and >> perhaps implementation, then, if that is a problem, it is one >> that doesn't lie easily within IETF scope... and probably >> shouldn't. > > Do open source developers count? -- With Android and the like, > they end up producing more deployed implementations than > anyone else. Sure they count. What they often don't do is have the support to attend expensive f2f IETF meetings in far-away places. Holding meetings closer to them might well make everyone feel warm and fuzzy, and that might justify such meeting locations (as I have said more generally all along). But, if we want increased participation from that community, we need to address participation issues and the economics of the way we do business and not think that locating a meeting or two close to people or organizations who don't already participate will make a huge difference. john