On 3/10/2013 5:32 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > "That sounds a lot like quotas. Let's not go there." Right, I'm just not sure how we got to quotas and whatnot. We can have diversity metrics and measure whether or not we're doing better or worse, or hitting those metrics, without instituting "quotas," (so I'm agreeing with what you're saying) but to be honest I'm not really sure that I'd throw "quotas" out without any further discussion. On the other hand, as I suggested earlier I'm pretty sure that no constructive discussion of "quotas" is possible because there's such a strong, instinctive negative reaction to the term (and possibly to the idea). Basically I kind of feel that we've immediately fallen into the IETF trap of engineering solutions (and discarding ones that we personally don't like) without agreement on what the problem is. Do you feel that what's described in the letter is an accurate and complete description of the/a problem? Melinda