Henning, This is essentially what I meant in agree with Mary about including a personal CV. However, even in the ACM/IEEE cases, there is a pronounced tendency to go with the better write-up than with necessarily the best candidate. That's because practically nobody actually knows the candidates. Also, the positions where this is done are not usually the sort of position that is likely to impact on the day-to-day job of the ACM/IEEE membership, even over the long term - to the extent the effectiveness of an IESG candidate might. Still, on the whole, I agree that this sort of write up would be more helpful than not. -- Eric -----Original Message----- From: Henning Schulzrinne [mailto:hgs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:45 PM To: Eric Gray Cc: Bob Hinden; dcrocker@xxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD Importance: High For what it's worth, candidates in professional organizations (IEEE, ACM, say) routinely publish basic information about themselves, typically of two kinds: * what have they done before (both within the organization as well as other roles) * vision for their position and the organization itself Both are typically space-limited (around 200 words, I think) to force focus and to avoid making this a "who can write a nicer autobiography" contest. This is not sufficient and doesn't replace personal knowledge or one-on-one interviews, but allows a broader range of people to comment. IEEE and ACM have member votes, so the need is a bit different, but I don't think this is that unusual nor particularly burdensome. Henning On Mar 6, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Eric Gray wrote: > Okay, thanks Bob. This makes sense... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hinden@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:36 PM > To: Eric Gray > Cc: Bob Hinden; dcrocker@xxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD > Importance: High > > Eric, > > On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Eric Gray wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> This confuses me. Are you saying that you would be more able to >> give feedback on someone you don't know if you knew what they might have to say about themselves? >> >> I would think that - if you don't know somebody - you can't give >> feedback on them (and that is precisely as it should be). > > If I don't recognize them by name (and we don't publish their pictures), I might remember something they did in a working group/plenary/etc. by reading their summary. > > Also, if they make statements about the future of the IETF that I agree with or don't agree with, I can provide feedback on that. > > Bob > > >