So can we just wrap the scans in CMS under an IETF cert and call it a day? On Apr 30, 2012, at 8:28 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > > > --On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 18:06 -0400 Eric Burger > <eburger-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> I would strongly support what Wes is talking about here. I >> see two (other) reasons for keeping blue sheets. The first is >> it is a recognized method of showing we have an open standards >> process. The second is to support those who are trying to >> defend themselves in patent suits. Frankly, I hope the IETF >> makes it hard for those who want to abuse the IETF process to >> get patents or ignore prior art and then come after the >> industry for undeserved royalties. >> >> For the former purpose, just having a list is sufficient. >> However, for the latter purpose, one needs records that would >> be admissible in court. Without eating our dog food and having >> some sort of audited digital signature technology, a simple >> scan will not do. > > +1. And I suggest that, especially if we are removing email > addresses, we should ask for organizational affiliation as well. > If someone wants to say "none" that is fine. If they want to > lie about it, they can lie about their names too. But, for most > patent-related purposes (given standard employment agreements) > and antitrust ones, the affiliations are likely to be pretty > important. FWIW, there was a time when one of the reasons for > asking for email addresses was that they provided a crude > surrogate for organizational affiliations. They don't do that > any longer, which is a reason to not worry about dropping them. > > john > > > > >