On Mon, 23 Apr 2012, Dave Crocker wrote: > However as much as I appreciate the benefits of privacy and the detriments of > eroding it, I think there is an odd conceptual confusion taking place here: > This is an entirely public event. It makes no sense to participate in a > formal portion of that event and expect privacy. The IETF meetings are actually not totally public. You must purchase a 'ticket' to attend. We would not allow someone to walk in off the street and photograph the functions, or even sit in a meeting and take notes. The hugh amount of publically available data being presented on-line which becomes significantly less private by creating ease of access. My home phone number is published w/o an address. I consider it a breach of my privacy to have some data mining operation match my address with my phone number just because my name and address are correlated in public property titles. Etc. I don't have an objection to the existance of blue sheets and I think I have long understood the multiple justifications for their use. My objection is to the making of the content more readily available than previous procedures. That changes the level of privacy associated with blue sheets, in my mind significantly. I don't care if scanning and storing the scans is used, if our legal staff has determined that scanning is equivalent to having the original document, but I don't want to see the time to content availablity change (well, perhaps in response to a supoena). That means no public online access. And perhaps an artifical delay matching the time it takes now. Surely there is now a defacto access policy and the admin folks wouldn't dig out the sheets just because I wanted to see them. I suspect that they wouldn't provide access to all sheets for all meetings in a single year. There might also be a copy charge, etc. All of that creates a legitimate expection of more privacy than making the sheets available without restriction on-line. I also don't think we should make assumptions about how well future software will do at recognition of sloppy hand writing on blue paper written with ink of almost the same color. Public and transparent have been implemented in a certain fashion in the past which included a degree of interference with ease of access. I don't see a written policy that states we shall make all records as readily available as future technology allows. The IETF has traditionally been in favor of encouraging on-line privacy. (think cookies) We need to lead by example by not following the lemmings and contributing to less privacy. If scans are legally sufficient, then capture the data to CD/DVD media and stick the data in a warehouse, etc. That solves the bulk storage issue but doesn't make the content much easier to access.