On Apr 23, 2012, at 0:05, "EXT - joelja@xxxxxxxxx" <joelja@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: (quoting from RFC 2418) > All working group sessions (including those held outside of the IETF > meetings) shall be reported by making minutes available. These > minutes should include the agenda for the session, an account of the > discussion including any decisions made, and a list of attendees. RFCs are not gospel. They can, and, in this instance, should, be changed: either remove that last item, or stately explicitly that there is no expectation of privacy at IETF meetings. (I have a sinking feeling I know which way that will go.) Why shouldn't getting the list of a meeting's attendees require a subpoena? The cost argument is bogus; equally, there are those who think going to a judge for permission to wiretap is a waste of time and money. Put the money you save on NOT installing RFID kit into a fund for handling subpoenas (only half joking). Kireeti PS: Yoav, regarding your remarks on street surveillance, from the IETF Note Well: "A participant in any IETF activity acknowledges that written, audio and video records of meetings may be made and may be available to the public." A camera over meeting room doorways is next.