Re: Second Last Call: <draft-ietf-sieve-notify-sip-message-08.txt> (Sieve Notifica tion Mechanism: SIP MESSAGE) to Proposed Standard

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On 01/26/2012 11:37 AM, John C Klensin wrote:


--On Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:08 -0600 Pete Resnick
<presnick@xxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:


<snip>

We were told by the other company employees who facilitated
the disclosures, at the time of the disclosures, that this was
strictly an individual's failure to comply with the IETF IPR
Policy, that the author in question claims not to have
understood the IETF IPR Policy, and that the company proceeded
to make these disclosures as soon as it discovered that this
IPR existed. I have no information to contradict that claim.

Excellent.   I had hoped that was the situation.  It obviously
makes things much easier (and some of my earlier comments
irrelevant).   With all the effort we go to ("Note Well" and
otherwise) to be sure that people are informed about the policy,
I have trouble generating sympathy for someone who says "didn't
underatand", but that is another matter (and perhaps just my
problem).

No, I don't think it's your problem. I've only been a mildly active participant in the IETF for a couple of years now, but the first time I read the Note Well it raised some question in my mind and made me go spend time reading the relevant BCPs and related documents until I understood my obligations. During that time, it was abundantly clear to me that if I did not understand any of these documents, the IETF had plenty of resources (this mailing list included) for me to utilize to ask my questions and get answers.

I would say that the more serious concern here is that the individual in question may not have understood the IPR policy, but believed that they *did* understand it, and so did not ask any questions about it. If they did not believe that they understood it, and did not ask any questions to achieve an acceptable level of understanding, that's a much more egregious situation.

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