Not sure why rfc1981 PMTUD was never fixed. I've repeatedly tried to suggest to just forget about PMTUD for IP multicast, and i have never come across a good use case to justify MTU > 1280 for IP multicast across the Internet. We did manage to get section 11.1 into rfc 3542 though. It's a little bit long due to committee design, but i was hoping it was sufficient to avoid the problem by default. It recommends sender side MIN_MTU fragmentation by default for IP multicast sent into IPv6 sockets. If folks see IPv6 multicast > 1280 as a real problem in deployments, pleae let me know. It would either indicate socket stacks not observing rfc3542 or intentionally badly written applications. Cheers Toerless > Daryl Tanner wrote: > > > The IPv6 "chickens and eggs" discussion could (and probably will) go on > > forever: > > > > service provider -> no content > > > IPv6 is the right answer, > > Wrong. > > IPv6 is not operational, which is partly why most service > providers refuse it. > > For example, to purposelessly enable multicast PMTUD, RFC2463 > (ICMPv6) mandates routers generate ICMPv6 packet too big > against multicast packets, which causes ICMPv6 packet > implosions, which is not operational. > > For further details, see my presentation at the last APNIC: > > How Path MTU Discovery Doesn't work > http://meetings.apnic.net/__data/assets/file/0018/38214/pathMTU.pdf > > Masataka Ohta > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf