i run a mac with firefox and the usual. when i went to access a stream, i was asked to allow an applet to own my machine. i.e. a default/simple user path led the user to very unsafe behavior. i do not give a damn what all the options might be. normal use paths should not encourage insecure behavior. > Meanwhile, I haven't heard anyone raise complaints about WebEx then you ignored my earlier mail. i am sure everybody means well here. the issue is not that, whether they are a social service, a vendor, or an evil router maker. the issue is simply whether the ietf should present users with opportunities for the very kinds of practices into which we claim to put much effort to avoid. randy _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf