I think that the IETF being the large body that it is should go out of it's way to promote good networking/computer practices. I know Joel works hard for good communications at the meetings as I have read in his emails, but..... I do not want to be told I must install this or use that to get my work done. Only the shadow knows what holes may be opened up by the meetecho applet. Besides Java is for those long nights at customer sites and when waking in the a.m. Sincerely, Richard Golodner _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf