Bob, Olaf, On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 05:27:11PM +0300, Bob Hinden wrote: > > To repeat what I said, I didn't see the new draft resolving issues that I > and other raised on the list. The new draft is a different approach, but as > Leslie pointed out, it might be worse. In the old draft, the I* chairs were > allowed to appoint someone to represent them, in the new one they are > non-voting advisors. Busy people being busy, will tend to not follow or > attend the meetings. Many small decisions can have unintended consequences. I reviewed the new draft and I agree with Leslie and Bob that the new draft seems to be a step in the wrong direction. The critical thing is that we don't loose the participation of the IETF chair, IAB chair and ISOC President/CEO while at the same time finding a way to lighten their workload. >From the discussion we had on the previous draft, it seemed to me that a differentation between these positions is actually very important. There was very little support to have the IETF chair delegating the full job of his/her IAOC membership. At the same time, there were much less strong feelings about this for the IAB chair and ISOC CEO/president. I agree with the sentiment that the IETF chair should remain a full voting member of the IAOC. However, I don't object if the IETF chair would have a designated backup for the voting role when he/she cannot attend to IAOC business. I believe it would be useful for the designated backup to be a non voting permanent IAOC member in order to make sure the backup understands what is going on. However, the important thing is that the vote is still a vote that the IETF chair is responsible for. Furthermore, I am not sure whether there is a real need to do a similar setup for the Trust as well. And finally, for full disclosure, I have been present myself at IAOC meetings as a guest from the IAB. This allowed for an IAB perspective to be present when the IAB chair couldn't make it to the IAOC meetings but of course I had no voting power etc. I'll leave it up to the current IAOC members and the IAB chair to comment on that experience. David Kessens --- _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf