>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: Keith> 2) This will not do any good Keith> IMO, that is a valid objection. Stability in our process is Keith> desirable; therefore change merely for the sake of change is Keith> undesirable. "This will not do any good, stability is important, so this should not be done," is an objection. "This will not do any good," is neutral. You believe that stability is important. Others believe that forward progress and being seen to do something are good. I do tend to come down on your side, and if I think something isn't going to do do good I'm likely to actually state an objection. However for a lot of reasons, I think the IESG should actually require people to present something that is constructionally supportive or an objection before counting it as such. "This will not do any good," is not such. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf