--On Tuesday, January 11, 2011 09:32 +0200 Yoav Nir <ynir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > We can have as high a barrier as necessary to ensure there are > no more than, say, 12 posters. Yes, but that is another aspect of why I don't want to go down this path. As soon as you say "high barrier", you imply some sort of review process. That takes up someone's time. Given our requirements about openness, there is considerable potential for our having to create a process for appointing the reviewers and/or a requirement for an appeals procedure for anyone who thinks they have been put at a disadvantage by having a poster turned down, etc. That is very different from academic conferences in which review norms are already in place and the culture doesn't permit making claims based on being put at a disadvantage for standardization because a contribution was turned down. As Fred pointed out in a different way, we need to remember that the IETF has become primarily an SDO and that, as an open SDO, we have procedural and openness requirements that don't apply to various sorts of conferences. Academic conferences also tend to be a lot more leisurely than IETF meetings -- people can wander through poster sessions with having a negative effect on more important schedules. Alternate suggestion that might accomplish part of the goal: convince an AD or two that there would be benefit in conducting micro-BOFs (or, if you prefer, a cross between a BOF and speed-dating). The entry requirement would be an I-D posted well in advance and a fairly normal BOF proposal but with extremely short, presentation-only, or presentation and quick questions, with maybe six to 10 presentations based on a poster or handful of slides. So... ADs/IESG get BOF proposals. Those that are clearly ready get BOFs as usual. Of those that are not but that would seem to benefit from presentation time, ADs could allocate micro-BOF slots either in area meetings or in a normal slot divided among many of these. Note that we are already doing presentations like that in some area meetings -- this is not a radical suggestion nor one that requires major logistical changes. No formal requirement for minutes, no status for any decisions. People who discover that they want to have further discussions could arrange to meet informally --in the halls, at breaks, even at the bar. But note that any proposal for such a session starts with a posted I-D that people can look at in advance if they are interested. If the real goal is to avoid the need to post an I-D, I just don't see that working or the "poster" time being well-spent. john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf