I personally am not asking for a fault free venue, however, I am asking for some very basic things to be considered as part of the meeting venue selection process: 1) Safety: far more easily achieved when the meeting hotels and venue are very close to one another in a city center that doesn't shutdown at 11pm. There should be readily available transportation from the main train station or airport at which most participants will arrive. 2) Food: some of us are on a restricted diet for medical reasons (others for religious or ethical reasons) and it should be possible for us to buy food at a local market on Sundays, which is often the only free time some of us have during the week. The hotel restaurant should be able to handle the number of people that attend the meetings and should be willing to serve food when it has been ordered OR to communicate to the customers that they have shut the kitchen down and no food will be served. And obviously, there were several other areas that caused some of us problems, but if the meeting venue is held in a location that addresses the safety issue, then we likely would not encounter any of those either (i.e., purchasing train tickets, etc.) While no venue is perfect the following venues have been exceptional in terms of meeting the above two requirements: Minneapolis, San Franciso, Paris, London, Chicago, Hiroshima, Yokohama, Vancouver, Seoul Some of the other venues have been a bit more pesky in terms of convenience of food access - e.g., San Diego, Washington, D.C., but those all had workarounds. And, while the majority certainly don't share my concerns because they personally haven't encountered similar issues, there is a minority that does and since IETF is supposed to be an open organization supporting a diverse group of participants, I do not believe these are concerns that should be so readily dismissed. Regards, Mary. On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Fred Baker <fred@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Aug 29, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > >> when you find those fault free-venues lets use them... > > It seems that every meeting, we get a diatribe about how the facilities and the venue were awful, and how the IAOC has done a poor job in the selection. I, for one, would be very interested in a list of these fault free venues. > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf